Thursday, 15 November 2012

You Support Gay-Marriage? No Communion Cracker For You!

In another move that demonstrates just how thoroughly out of touch with society the Roman Catholic Church is, a priest in Minnesota apparently refused to confirm a teenager who made a pro-Gay-Marriage post on his Facebook page.

The story is here:

Minnesota Gay-Marriage Supporter Denied Confirmation

One can only hope the teenager took this as a hint that those who believe in extending equal (read: civil) rights to gays are clearly not welcome in the Catholic Church.  Well, I think this is a good thing, since the people who are running the organization are clearly below such clientele.

Shana Cihak said her 17-year-old son, Lennon, wasn't allowed to be confirmed at Assumption Church in Barnesville last month after posting a Facebook picture of himself with a political sign he altered to oppose the marriage amendment on Minnesota's ballot. Voters on Nov. 6 rejected the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.
Good for Lennon!  After the Associated Press jumped on this story, the good Rev. Gary LaMoine doesn't seem to want to talk about the details.  He declined that Lennon was ever denied confirmation and called it an internal and pastoral matter.  And we all know about such matter in the Catholic Church - you know, when they want to keep it on the down-low it usually means they wanna cover something up.  You know, punishing their parishioners for not being bigots.

Shana Cihak tells The Forum ( ) she was called into a private conversation with the priest after the Facebook photo was posted and was told her son wouldn't be allowed to complete confirmation. Lennon has gone to church every week and volunteered around the community in preparation for his confirmation this year, Shana Cihak said.
The parents don't hold it against the Church thought.  They just want the priest to loosen up a bit.

"I don't want the church to be put down. I don't want the Catholic religion to be put down," he said. "It's just the way the priest has things running. He's so strict. He won't loosen up about things."
Perhaps he should keep doing what he's doing.  In fact, it would seem the Church is doing a pretty good job these days of shooting itself in the foot.


  1. "I don't want the church to be put down. I don't want the Catholic religion to be put down,"

    Unlike Lennon, I want the church to be put down, and I want the Catholic religion to be put down.

  2. As bad as it is that the Catholic Church spent $2 million of parishioners' donations to foray into politics, don't forget that churches get "special rights" all the time and don't pay taxes. The lawyers for the church probably also " donated" their time and call it "pro bono" - so they can bash gay rights and feel good about it too!

  3. I'll admit that I also see the Church as a negative force. Thanks for the comment!

  4. It's depressing that they get a free ride, but I think things are going slowly in the right direction. People and governments are slowly waking up. Thanks for the comment, Dave!

  5. Wow! This blog has some strong opinions.

    First of all, I am glad that the teenager refused to be confirmed. That was the intellectually consistent thing to do. (He did, actually, refuse.) I'd like to point out that the priest sided with the teen on this one. The parents wanted the teen confirmed in spite of it all, but both the teen and the priest thought that it would be better for him not too. I'm sure that many of my friends had similar opinions and were confirmed because of parental and communal pressure. The goal is not to perform as many sacraments as possible; it is to perform as many valid sacraments as possible. Both atheists and Catholics can agree that it is a good thing that this teen has admitted his lack of communion with the Church.

    It is clear that you consider the legal relationship described as gay marriage a civil right. This is of course a new civil right; no one believed in it until recently. (It is unusual even in non-Christian cultures.) But even if it _is_ a civil right, a proposition that I, as a Catholic, don't agree with, does it necessarily follow that opposition to it is based on bigotry? I'm not a bigot as far as I'm aware, although I certainly don't love anyone as much as I should. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. But the Catholic opposition to gay marriage is based on the following principles:

    1) Sexual relationships ought to be procreative.

    2) Sexual relationships ought only to occur within the context of marriage.

    3) Homosexual relationships are not procreative.

    Therefore, homosexual people cannot be married.

    Bigotry is, as I understand it, an irrational hatred of someone else because they are different from you. Do 1), 2), or 3) display irrational hatred of gay people? I'm not defending these propositions, here, just saying that I don't see how they're bigoted. I'd really like to know what you all think is bigoted about them. I can foresee getting responses like, "oh, you just use reasons like these as a _cover_ for your bigotry." Please no bluster, propaganda, or psychoanalysis. I want an _honest_ response.

  6. Thanks so much for your comment, John. I will devote a whole post to try to respond to you. Hopefully it will be out in the next couple of days. I'll respond here again when it's out.

    Thanks again!

  7. My response:

  8. Some in the spiritual arena of
    thought accept as true that they "must stop" the "gay agenda, whatever that might be. Of course, there are folks who are
    very obstinate in the GLBT community about certain issues such as gay marriage
    and they demand to be heard and are vocal on the following stage over this
    debate. When I read the gentleman's essay arguing that no one is born gay, I
    certainly understood where he was coming from, as he felt as if the ""gay agenda" had come too far, and so, he is just as adamant about
    pushing back now.


Search This Blog